Douglas County 2015 CORA Conversation

What follows is a thread of a conversation between Harvie Branscomb and a county lawyer for Douglas County:

For the full original CORA request see here: Douglas County CORA Request, full

10/14/2015 2:44 PM

To Douglas County Clerk and Recorder office
 (Hart)

Dear Clerk and Recorder or other records custodian if applicable:

Your county is piloting a new voting system in the November 2015 Coordinated Election.  This email serves as a Colorado Open Records Request for electronic copies of the original pdfs (or if not pdf, the applicable graphic source format) used to print unvoted paper ballots for your election.  This request encompasses ballots for all precincts, styles, voting methods (in-person, by mail/drop-off, emergency, UOCAVA, provisional, replacement) and any others such as specially printed test ballots but only if they in any way have different content. I do not request duplicate sets of pdfs used for e.g. replacement and mail if they are identical. Note however that ballot on demand source files may be different and if so, I am including them in my request.
  
 Note that this is not a request for a pdf created from a scan of the paper form of the ballot - this is for the source file used to create the ballots. Please advise me if the vendor requires a multipage pdf with a page for each instance of printed ballot or for any other reason the data capacity of my records request is too large for email fulfillment.

Although I am not required to explain my intention, I find it beneficial and good manners to do so.  I will be using the pdfs of the unvoted ballots as part of a technical process to independently audit the election and perform an evaluation of the voting system using scans produced by the voting system to be obtained under CORA after certification as referred to below. Please discuss with me any concerns you have over the possibility that these pdfs could be used to create ballots that would be returned in your election or any other similar concerns that would present obstacles to fulfillment. I am prepared to take create an assurance that unexpected ballots will not result including by delaying the fulfillment of the request until Nov. 4.

This email also serves as a presumably helpful advance notice of my intention to CORA request 1) electronic scans produced by the voting equipment used in the pilot election of all the tabulated ballots returned in the 2015 Coordinated election  as soon as C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 allows. I will also be requesting 2) the "cast vote records" or other record of vote patterns recorded per ballot by the voting system. I will also be asking for 3) a newly created electronic color scan copy of each ballot that was duplicated prior to scanning for tabulation.

For requests 1) and 2) these files should be produced in the format and organization defined by the voting system. Only the fulfillment of request 3) will be the result of a scan not performed originally for tabulation. For all three requests I request no reformatting be done other than minimal redaction by adding a black area to an otherwise original graphic file to cover the privacy impinging mark(s) if any. I also ask that each instance of redaction be logged in a note to accompany the records fulfillment.   Note that with this advance notice I hope that you will find a way to most efficiently and inexpensively prepare electronic file copies of the ballots for fulfillment per C.R.S. 24-72-205.5.

That law does have a requirement for potential redaction of identifying marks. I am hoping you will make plans for accomplishing any research regarding identifying marks in the most efficient manner such as during election judge review of the incoming ballots and will discuss any associated costs with me as soon as possible. I am ready to discuss means to use tools in C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 to avoid privacy problems with styles that result in instances of less than 10 alike in the election.

Please respond with an estimate of the amount of any fees that  might be charged in the fulfillment of this future request.

If my request or any portion of it (including the prospective future request) will be denied or fulfilled only in part, please advise and cite the applicable law. If fulfillment will be delayed for any reason, please explain.

Thank you very much.

Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 10/19/2015 11:56 AM

Mr. Branscomb,

We have reviewed your CORA request, received Wednesday October 14, requesting the electronic source files used to print any and all blank ballots for this November’s election. The blank ballot source files can be provided but Douglas County has concerns about allowing anyone access to the means to create their own ballots for an election that is still before the public. You indicated in your letter that you would be willing to wait until after Election Day to receive those electronic source files, and that is the only time the County would consider releasing them out of concern for the potential effects on a fair election that the abuse of such records could have. We can release these files as of November 13, once all voted ballots are accounted for. The files are too large to email due to size (approximately 30 MB) but can be copied to CDs at a cost of $3.50/CD or you may provide us a thumb drive (still in its unopened original packaging to assure no harmful software). Either way, you can then pick up the CDs or thumb drive or we can mail them to you for an additional charge.

In regards to your potential future request, thank you for the heads up. If requested, all voted ballot images will require an enormous investment of time and labor especially if you want the request fulfilled within the seven working days required under CORA.  Because CORA does not allow the release of any election records that may have anything that could be used to identify the voter and requires redaction of any such marks (24-72-204(8) and 24-72-205.5(4), CRS), we will have to inspect any voted ballot images that are to be released.  You have asked for the release of an estimated 120,000, which even if inspection and redaction takes an average of only five seconds per ballot will require nearly 170 hours of work. Clerk and Recorder policy (http://www.douglas.co.us/documents/clerk-open-records-rules.pdf) is to charge $25/hour after the first two hours, so a request of this nature is likely going to cost more than $4,000 plus the additional cost of time needed to prepare that many images plus the cast vote records you have requested for delivery to you by appropriate medium (cost of delivery will also be required), all of which much be provided up front before any work is to be performed.

Additionally, you mentioned a future request for a color copy scan of each duplicated ballot prior to scanning for tabulation. This is not a part of our process and therefore will not exist.

Please let us know how you wish to proceed regarding your request for the source file pdfs so that we can give you an estimate of total cost to fill the request, and we can discuss how to handle potential future requests at your convenience.

Sincerely,

Codie Brenner

Clerk to the Board/Internal Services Coordinator

Douglas County Clerk & Recorder’s Office

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Date: 10/30/2015 11:41 AM

Codie Brenner
 Thanks for your timely response. I agree to your request to delay fulfillment of my request for unvoted ballot pdfs till November 13 and hereby activate within this email the CORA request for voted ballots as predicted.

DC> We have reviewed your CORA request, received Wednesday October 14, requesting the electronic source files used to print any and all blank ballots ... We can release these files as of November 13, once all voted ballots are accounted for. The files are too large to email due to size (approximately 30 MB) but can be copied to CDs at a cost of $3.50/CD or you may provide us a thumb drive (still in its unopened original packaging to assure no harmful software). Either way, you can then pick up the CDs or thumb drive or we can mail them to you for an additional charge.

HB> I will forward by mail  $3.50 for the CD/DVD option and my Fedex Account number so you can send the media by overnight courier without additional cost.

DC> In regards to your potential future request, thank you for the heads up. If requested, all voted ballot images will require an enormous investment of time and labor especially if you want the request fulfilled within the seven working days required under CORA.  Because CORA does not allow the release of any election records that may have anything that could be used to identify the voter and requires redaction of any such marks (24-72-204(8) and 24-72-205.5(4), CRS), we will have to inspect any voted ballot images that are to be released.  You have asked for the release of an estimated 120,000, which even if inspection and redaction takes an average of only five seconds per ballot will require nearly 170 hours of work. Clerk and Recorder policy (http://www.douglas.co.us/documents/clerk-open-records-rules.pdf) is to charge $25/hour after the first two hours, so a request of this nature is likely going to cost more than $4,000 plus the additional cost of time needed to prepare that many images plus the cast vote records you have requested for delivery to you by appropriate medium (cost of delivery will also be required), all of which much be provided up front before any work is to be performed.

HB> Time is of the essence because this project is tied into the UVS time line for SOS system selection. Evaluation of the voting system must be complete before December 15 to be effective and much work is involved after the electronic records are provided by you. Any delay for negotiation or delivery of charges in advance will harm the effectiveness of the evaluation and I ask you now to help me avoid such delays.

I presume that the location of identifying marks on voted ballots can begin at any time after my CORA request is made I.e. as of today.

For a best practice, I expect the County would locate and anonymize records such as by duplication immediately upon arrival from the voter so that there is minimal risk of exposure of identifiable voter intent to election officials (election judges, canvas board, etc.). There is a vendor who is willing to provide software and  service and advice to assist you in doing this location process with efficient tools at a reasonable cost - Galois.  Joseph Kiniry kiniry  at Galois.com is the contact. Please explore this option instead of considering 170 hours of work. Denver accomplished the same task on 130,000 ballots for a charge of $265 with my assistance under a NDA for their May pilot municipal election.

DC> Additionally, you mentioned a future request for a color copy scan of each duplicated ballot prior to scanning for tabulation. This is not a part of our process and therefore will not exist.

HB> Are you stating that duplication of ballots will not occur? In my experience with Hart Ballot Now, duplication is much reduced but not eliminated. I assume thus is also true of the piloted system. This request to copy an existing record remains a part of my request. Redaction will be necessary in case duplication is performed for purpose of protecting privacy.

DC> Please let us know how you wish to proceed regarding your request for the source file pdfs so that we can give you an estimate of total cost to fill the request, and we can discuss how to handle potential future requests at your convenience.

HB> I wish to activate the formal CORA request predicted in my previous email as such records do now exist and proceed to discuss the terms of fulfillment prior to the statutory date the records may be fulfilled.

This email serves as a Colorado Open Records Request for electronic copies of

1) electronic scans produced by the voting equipment used in the pilot election of all the tabulated ballots returned in the 2015 Coordinated election  as soon as C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 allows.

2) the "cast vote records" or other record of vote patterns recorded per ballot by the voting system.

3) a newly created electronic color scan copy of each ballot that was duplicated prior to scanning for tabulation.

For requests 1) and 2) these files should be produced in the format and organization defined by the voting system. Only the fulfillment of request 3) will be the result of a scan not performed originally for tabulation.

For all three requests I request no reformatting be done other than minimal redaction by adding a black area to an otherwise original graphic file to cover the privacy impinging mark(s) if any. I also ask that each instance of redaction be logged in a note to accompany the records fulfillment.

That law does have a requirement for potential redaction of identifying marks. I am hoping you will make plans for accomplishing any research regarding identifying marks in the most efficient manner such as during election judge review of the incoming ballots and will discuss any associated costs with me as soon as possible. I am ready to discuss means to use tools in C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 to avoid privacy problems with styles that result in instances of less than 10 alike in the election.This can be accomplished by adjustment of the detailed scope of my request or by sufficient redaction of identifying detail such as precinct.

Please respond with an estimate of the amount of any fees that will be charged in the fulfillment of this future request. Please consider any means to make anonymization of the records efficient abd cost effective. Denver county has experience with this as does Galois Inc.

If my request or any portion of it will be denied or fulfilled only in part, please advise and cite the applicable law. If fulfillment will be delayed beyond the statutory release date for any reason, please explain.

Please feel free to respond to this CORA request on Nov. 4 if not before election day.  I think ample and unusual advance notice of this request has been provided via the office of SOS as well as from myself in conjunction with my request for unvoted ballot pdfs.

Thank you very much.

Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/3/2015 11:17 PM

Mr. Branscomb,

The County received your CORA request on Friday, October 30.

As a matter of clarification, can you provide further definition of the items you are requesting. Even amongst our team, we come to differing conclusions as to the nature of your requests.

1) electronic scans produced by the voting equipment used in the pilot election of all the tabulated ballots returned in the 2015 Coordinated election  as soon as C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 allows.

Please clarify exactly what you are looking for. Is this intended to be a request for PDFs of the scanned ballots?

2) the "cast vote records" or other record of vote patterns recorded per ballot by the voting system.

Please clarify the definition of “cast vote records” or “other record of vote patterns.”

3) a newly created electronic color scan copy of each ballot that was duplicated prior to scanning for tabulation.

Please clarify if you are asking for the original ballots as opposed to the duplicates.

We want to be sure that we understand and can provide the information you are looking for.

Thank you,

Codie Brenner

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Date: 11/4/2015 8:33 AM

Codie Brenner:
 I am inserting my responses inline with your questions. Thank you for your effort to clarify my request. It was written so that it could be sent to and presumably understood by 8 counties using 4 different and new ballot tabulation systems the characteristics of which are relatively unknown and will become better understood through fulfillment of this request.

-----Original Message-----
 Sent: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:17 PM
 Subject: RE: October 30 CORA request

Mr. Branscomb,

The County received your CORA request on Friday, October 30.

As a matter of clarification, can you provide further definition of the items you are requesting. Even amongst our team, we come to differing conclusions as to the nature of your requests.

1) electronic scans produced by the voting equipment used in the pilot election of all the tabulated ballots returned in the 2015 Coordinated election  as soon as C.R.S. 24-72-205.5 allows.

Please clarify exactly what you are looking for. Is this intended to be a request for PDFs of the scanned ballots?

HB> Yes, if components of Hart Verity produce pdfs of scanned ballots then electronic copies of those pdfs are requested. It is my understanding that every ballot tabulated in the election will have a corresponding pdf regardless whether it was tabulated by the central count scanners or the "precinct scanners" in VSPCs. If there are other votes counted in the election that do not fall under that description then I do not understand and will need and ask for further explanation from you.

2) the "cast vote records" or other record of vote patterns recorded per ballot by the voting system.

Please clarify the definition of “cast vote records” or “other record of vote patterns.”

HB> I think this is a syntax problem. As a result of the novelty of this problem I have difficulty describing a new category of election record that is crucial to the upcoming statutory Risk Limiting Audit. What I refer to as the "cast vote record" is confusingly referred to as "ballot image" in places in Colorado's law and election  rules. It is the digitally represented machine readable and - when displayed or printed - human readable record of the machine interpretation of the voter intent contained on a tabulated ballot and that may have already been "resolved" or updated by election judges. An appropriate aggregation of all the cast vote records will sum to published election results by contest choice and under and over votes.

3) a newly created electronic color scan copy of each ballot that was duplicated prior to scanning for tabulation.

Please clarify if you are asking for the original ballots as opposed to the duplicates.

HB> Correct. I am asking for an electronic copy of a new scan (not necessarily not likely using the voting system scanner but preferably with similar resolution) of each original ballot  in the case it was duplicated in a county process prior to and for purposes of tabulation. A different record is the duplicate produced by a regular election procedure (as opposed to the original of which I am requesting a copy) that will have been fulfilled by the part one of my request.

We want to be sure that we understand and can provide the information you are looking for.
 Thank you,

HB> And thank you for the effort to clarify. My in person discussions on election day with Douglas County's Dub and also Peter Lichtenheld and one other staffer from Hart may also have helped me to understand where there is any confusion related to syntax that would affect this request. Please do reply and ask again if my clarification is not perfectly clear.

 Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/4/2015 9:36 AM

Codie
 Here is one important update to my clarification based on additional understanding of Hart's system obtained yesterday. The pdfs of the cast ballots that I am requesting in part one should not include a graphical overlay of the system interpretation of the ballot content that Hart's system can optionally provide. I want the unedited original scan that reflects only the ballot contents visible on the paper ballot at the time it was returned to the county ( other than CORA required redaction of identifying marks) or the result of a duplication process.

Thank you.
 Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/6/2015 3:28 PM

Mr. Branscomb,

The County has received your reply and clarification to its response regarding your CORA requests related to the current election.

Re: CORA Request October 14, 2015:

The County will provide original pdfs generated by the Hart voting software to include blank ballots of all ballot styles used in the November 3, 2015 Coordinated Election. This request will be fulfilled on or after November 13, 2015 (as agreed) and upon receipt of $3.50 for the CD plus any shipping costs (which you proposed to pay via your personal Fedex Account number provided). The CD will be sent, as requested, to [your address]

Re: CORA request October 30, 2015, including clarification on November 4, 2015:

You requested electronic images of the voted ballots, cast vote records generated by the Hart system during the process of tabulating votes, and electronic copies of duplicated ballots. The ballot images are not available from the Hart system until the election is certified (estimated to occur on November 20, 2015, assuming no recount). Even if they were available, the County does not currently have a system as a part of the normal process of counting ballots for identifying and redacting individual ballots that may have marks that could be used to identify individual voters. The County will not put such a system in place, in effect altering the established system for counting ballots, in order to facilitate an individual CORA request. Nor is the County confident that there is any software suitable to effectively perform the tasks required in lieu of an actual person, especially on such short notice. In addition and in order to further protect voter privacy, we would not trust the redaction process to a third-party vendor. The County believes we can provide you what you are asking for in the time you are asking for it, but you will have to ensure that taxpayers are not subsidizing your request.

We will begin the process of manually inspecting the ballots, redacting those that have potentially identifying marks on them, and preparing all of those for delivery to you after certification and after receiving a deposit payment of $4,000, as outlined in previous communication. Being sensitive to the urgency with which you have expressed having this request fulfilled, the County can attempt to provide these within the seven working days allowed by statute for such a large volume of records that would otherwise substantially interfere with the other duties of the Clerk and Recorder staff – making them available December 3, 2015, if payment is received on or before November 19, 2015.

Please note: We have made our best effort to estimate the cost to perform the work that will be required to fulfill your request, but we have never before even attempted to provide copies of records at the magnitude of your request, so our estimate may not be sufficient.  If we need additional reimbursement we would ask for your assurance that you will provide those amounts.  If our estimate is substantially insufficient to cover the costs, then we will notify you of that as soon as it is apparent and ask that you provide an additional deposit to cover the shortfall prior to our completion of the work.  Of course, if we overestimate the actual costs, any excess deposit will be returned to you.

Finally, in response to your email clarification of “cast vote records” [received November 4, 2015], we will provide our reasonable interpretation of your request. This export will come directly from the Hart voting system. If the export we provide you is inadequate and you require an export which contains ballot images, redaction of personally identifiable information will again be required along with labor and cost as outlined previously; this cost is in addition to the previous estimate and could require an additional up front deposit payment of up to $4,000.

The files will be too large to email due to size. We can provide them by CD or thumb drives (unopened packaged) as previously noted.  You may pick them up at the Elections Office (125 Stephanie Place, Castle Rock, CO) or we can mail them to you for an additional charge. Please let us know your preferred format and delivery method.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns and we will await your answer and deposit before proceeding with your requests.

Christopher K . Pratt

Assistant County Attorney

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Date: 11/9/2015 4:08 PM

Mr. Christopher Pratt

Thank you for your response  of November 6 .   The first CORA request for unvoted ballots seems fine and I will forward $3.50 and may be able to pick up the  media rather than have you send it using my Fedex account. In any case please be prepared for a communication about a  change of address or means of shipment.

On the request for voted ballots you wrote in essence:

We will begin the process of manually inspecting the ballots, redacting those that have potentially identifying marks on them, and preparing all of those for delivery to you after certification and after receiving a deposit payment of $4,000, as outlined in previous communication. Being sensitive to the urgency with which you have expressed having this request fulfilled, the County can attempt to provide these within the seven working days allowed by statute for such a large volume of records that would otherwise substantially interfere with the other duties of the Clerk and Recorder staff – making them available December 3, 2015, if payment is received on or before November 19, 2015.

The estimate of time required to study each scanned side of a voted ballot at 5 seconds per image seems excruciatingly slow.  I am of the understanding that at least 10 times faster is possible with high accuracy.  As I think that the estimate is too costly and in any event too expensive for my budget I must constrain the scope of my request as follows, pending any relief on  your part such as a waiver of the fee charged for location and redaction:

In part one of my request, in place of every ballot tabulated in the election, I now request  two subsets of the ballots tabulated:

1) ballot scans that contained the contest as follows:  City Of Aurora Council Member At-Large    with a total of - at  - present 242 votes, presumably a number that could slightly rise.

2) I request a total of 100 ballot scans that represent ballots on which voters have used "x" or "checkmark" indications or other exceptional marks in contradiction of the printed instructions. This will embody a test sample of poorly marked ballots that I can use (in combination with the cast vote records) for a demonstration of the capability of the voting system to maintain accuracy under difficult conditions.

As for the remaining two portions of my request, I remain in request of part two - cast vote records (as explained in a separate email and as supplied by Hart and applicable to a Risk Limiting Audit) for all tabulated ballots as requested before, as well as in part three - as before- new electronic copies of all ballots that required duplication  prior to tabulation and inclusion in the election.

Please revise your cost estimate based on my attempt to constrain costs and difficulty of this task in order to render it financially accessible to myself as an unpaid election quality advocate and member of the public. I presume that the voting system is capable of isolating the ballot scans containing this selected contest without examination of each and hence the cost for this constrained request will be vastly lower and on the order of, at your quoted estimated price, about 350 times 10 seconds or 3500 seconds that amounts to less than one hour. I am here guessing that 10 seconds is sufficient time to scan a list of images to arrive at a poorly marked one and if not, then perhaps some extra time not needed for location of identifying marks may be sufficient.

As a heads-up, in  compensation for the lack of accessibility to the scans of all tabulated ballots I may require access to a very select and specific set of paper ballots in your office under terms yet to be discussed. My idea is to form a simulation of a risk limiting audit.

I look forward to your reply and please make the quotation in a form so that I can  choose which of the parts I can afford to pursue. Also I hope that this simplification will aid in fulfillment close to or on the date of the end of the CRS stay as to be effective this evaluation must be completed (along with 7 other counties' public records) in December.

Thank you very much.

Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/13/2015 3:16 PM

Mr. Branscomb,

I understand your concern regarding the amount of time being estimated to screen ballots, and as I indicated, this is only our elections staff’s best educated guess of the average amount of time to scan, identify, redact, and prepare all of the documents and to work within the system to find and produce the reports.  Please remember that this is new software and an unusual request, so it is likely that the elections staff will need additional time to figure out how to fill your request in addition to the legally mandated constraints to ensure voter privacy.  What leg work can be done without actually accessing the system is being done now, but there is only so much that they can do until they can get their hands on the systems after the Canvass on November 20.

We understand that you have reduced your request to copies of the Hart system images of voted ballots with the City of Aurora Council Member At-Large contest on them, copies of images of 100 ballots that were marked incorrectly or poorly, copies of the original duplicated ballots, and the cast vote records as discussed.  This considerably reduces the amount of work that will be required to meet your request, but it will still take a substantial amount of time – especially to find the mismarked ballots.  Elections staff has estimated that the entire request can be filled in eighteen hours, which will require a total deposit of $400.  The bulk of this time will be required to fill your request for copies of the Hart system images of 100 ballots with “exceptional marks in contradiction of printed instructions.”  The system does not track such ballots during the process of tabulating, so staff will need to search through all ballots until 100 ballots with such markings can randomly be found.  During the Post-Election Audit staff conducted a survey of the 300 ballots used for the test and found only 2 ballots that would meet your criteria.  At that rate, they estimate a minimum of 10,000 ballots would need to be searched in order to find 100 oddly marked ballots.  They estimate that this will take up to fourteen hours to accomplish.

As stated previously, we will begin processing your request after receipt of your deposit and can start no sooner than November 20, 2015. The request would then be ready within 7 working days or December 3, 2015, if payment is received on or before November 19, 2015.  Upon review of this response, please communicate which documents you are definitively requesting and exactly how you would like to receive them (CDs or unopened thumb drives and picked up or delivery).  We appreciate your cooperation and hope that our response is helpful.

Chris Pratt

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Date: 11/16/2015 10:01 AM

Mr. Pratt
 I will be able to drop by  Castle Rock offices today around 12:30 or 1PM. If my Oct 14 request is ready I could pay and pick it up. Please advise. I would like to yet further reduce the expected cost of my Oct. 30 records request by reducing the number of improperly marked ballots requested. Can I set a cap on the time or expense allocated to this particular task and receive a reduced number of ballots as a result? Or is there a way I can check and select ballots or images in person?

Is your election certified by the canvass board?

Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/16/2015 12:16 PM

Mr. Branscomb,

Your request for the ballot style pdfs is ready and available for you to pick up anytime during normal business hours at your convenience.  You may set either time or expense parameters for your CORA request, just let us know what those parameters will be and we will try to accommodate you as best we can.  As for letting you inspect the ballots yourself, we are not comfortable allowing an interested party to inspect the ballots before they have been screened and voter privacy protected as required by the law.

Our election should be certified by the Canvass Board on November 19th.

Chris

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Date: 11/16/2015 12:57 PM

Mr.Pratt
 Is the request package at the election office? I will pickup in about an hour
 Thanks.

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Date: 11/16/2015 12:57 PM

Mr. Banscomb,

It should be ready and waiting for you at the election office (125 Stephanie Place).  Let me know if you have any problems.

Chris

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Date: 11/19/2015 2:52 PM

Mr. Pratt
 I will forward the requested $400. My intention is to cap my cost at that figure until further authorization from me. Please confirm if you can accede to that request.

I have already forwarded $7 for two media in excess of what was needed. Please use this amount to package the data in thumb drive or CD/DVD and send by regular overnight FedEx letter on my account 1402-63060 to [address redacted].

Harvie Branscomb

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Date: 11/19/2015 5:02 PM

Harvie,

I can confirm that the elections staff can ensure that the cost to fulfill your request will not exceed $400, even if that means halting further work and not meeting the numbers you initially wanted.

Work can begin any time after today (assuming the canvass is complete) and after receipt of your deposit.

Chris

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:39:29

Chris
 Thank you. Please confirm when you receive the deposit and please notify when work has begun. Also I hope to receive some information about the actual cost-efficiency of my payment in terms of person hours on particular tasks.
 Thanks very much.
 Harvie Branscomb

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